
Jason Bordoff
Guest on The Ezra Klein Show
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Deliver Me from Nowhereπ Recommends
β¦book recommendation for joy and personal introspection during bleak times
βAnd then I'm going to end on something that has nothing to do with energy. But given how bleak this outlook about energy in Iran has been, I think it's worth making space for a little bit of joy in our world. And anyone who reads my weekly emails knows that I always find a way to work a reference to Bruce Springsteen into them. Because if you like joy, you should go see Bruce Springsteen Live, which you can do again, starting next week when he kicks off his new tour. So I would read Deliver Me From Nowhere, as good as the movie was, the book was even better, going much deeper into sort of the tension between who we want to be and what society expects us to be.β
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Material Worldπ Recommends
β¦book recommendations on material dependencies and global economy
βSo given how much this conversation has been about the physical constraints and choke points like the Strait of Hormuz, I would recommend that people read an excellent book called Ed Conway's Material World, which is a really great reminder of how important things we never think about, like copper and sand, are to the global economy. We don't think about it until something breaks. And what that book makes clear, and what this moment is illustrating, I think in real time, is just how dependent we are on all of those materials that we take for granted.β
on The Ezra Klein Show

More and More and Moreπ Recommends
β¦book on energy transition challenges and historical resource substitution
βI put that alongside a book called More, More, and More by Jean-Baptiste FranΓ§ois. I think I'm saying his last name correctly, a French academic and scholar, which explains why it is so hard to have an energy transition. If you go back over time, we have added clean energy at an unprecedented rate, and it's met most of the growth in global energy demand. But oil use, gas use, coal use, they are all still going up as well. And he nicely walks through history and shows things like, we have this narrative, we think, that the Industrial Revolution meant coal replaced the use of wood, because we stopped using wood as a fuel.β
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